<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments for eBookNoir</title>
	<atom:link href="http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/comments/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com</link>
	<description>eBooks, publishing, libraries &#38; so much more...</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:34:44 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.com/</generator>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Containing Content by mmcnamara49</title>
		<link>http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/2012/09/02/containing-content/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mmcnamara49]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/?p=154#comment-86</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[A late reply, as I always seem to be catching up with my reading. Anyway as a comment on your post, I feel that content will always reside in a container of some sort, somewhere. Two examples from some projects that I am working on, database publishing and technical publishing.

From a database publishing point of view, I don&#039;t think you could get more &#039;containerised&#039; content if you tried. This project relates to a large parts/component catalogue publisher, all of the data &#039;lives&#039; in a number of database &#039;objects&#039;. Each &#039;content&#039; object can be edited as can associated the associated &#039;Metadata&#039;. When it comes to publishing of the content, the relevant objects are exported from the database and sent via various &#039;formatters&#039; depending on the style of the final content and end up in &#039;new&#039; containers, be that PDF pages, printed data sheets, web pages or &#039;the&#039; printed catalogue itself. A newer addition to the publishing pipelines is the ability for an &#039;end-customer&#039; of the content owner performing a search on the database and requesting information contained in the various database &#039;containers&#039; to be delivered to them as a PDF (container) or ePub ebook (container). I suppose you could classify this as a &#039;service&#039; approach as the content owner will be charging for this extra ability.

The other project also shows that content will live in a variety of &#039;containers&#039; during its life cycle. I am Project Managing this one where content has been living in a 30 year old Word processing system (WPS) as plain ASCII files and generally having been only printed to paper (latterly a PDF driver was introduced) - all very monospaced! The project covers moving the ASCII content into a particular XML specialisation - S1000D (container) - for the client to load into its newly commissioned database (container) where it will be combined with other XML content and metadata. Eventually the content will be &#039;published&#039; as IETM&#039;s (Electronic Technical Manuals) (container) for world-wide end-users who will if required, print pages to paper &#039;locally&#039; if required.

So yes I can see a lot of different &#039;containers&#039; being used along any publishing &#039;pipeline&#039;, although I am not sure I would truly class the original WPS ASCII content in the above example as being in a &#039;container&#039; but there in lays the different interpretations of &#039;what is a container&#039;, after all isn&#039;t HTML just plain ASCII with tags!!!

Hope this adds to the discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A late reply, as I always seem to be catching up with my reading. Anyway as a comment on your post, I feel that content will always reside in a container of some sort, somewhere. Two examples from some projects that I am working on, database publishing and technical publishing.</p>
<p>From a database publishing point of view, I don&#8217;t think you could get more &#8216;containerised&#8217; content if you tried. This project relates to a large parts/component catalogue publisher, all of the data &#8216;lives&#8217; in a number of database &#8216;objects&#8217;. Each &#8216;content&#8217; object can be edited as can associated the associated &#8216;Metadata&#8217;. When it comes to publishing of the content, the relevant objects are exported from the database and sent via various &#8216;formatters&#8217; depending on the style of the final content and end up in &#8216;new&#8217; containers, be that PDF pages, printed data sheets, web pages or &#8216;the&#8217; printed catalogue itself. A newer addition to the publishing pipelines is the ability for an &#8216;end-customer&#8217; of the content owner performing a search on the database and requesting information contained in the various database &#8216;containers&#8217; to be delivered to them as a PDF (container) or ePub ebook (container). I suppose you could classify this as a &#8216;service&#8217; approach as the content owner will be charging for this extra ability.</p>
<p>The other project also shows that content will live in a variety of &#8216;containers&#8217; during its life cycle. I am Project Managing this one where content has been living in a 30 year old Word processing system (WPS) as plain ASCII files and generally having been only printed to paper (latterly a PDF driver was introduced) &#8211; all very monospaced! The project covers moving the ASCII content into a particular XML specialisation &#8211; S1000D (container) &#8211; for the client to load into its newly commissioned database (container) where it will be combined with other XML content and metadata. Eventually the content will be &#8216;published&#8217; as IETM&#8217;s (Electronic Technical Manuals) (container) for world-wide end-users who will if required, print pages to paper &#8216;locally&#8217; if required.</p>
<p>So yes I can see a lot of different &#8216;containers&#8217; being used along any publishing &#8216;pipeline&#8217;, although I am not sure I would truly class the original WPS ASCII content in the above example as being in a &#8216;container&#8217; but there in lays the different interpretations of &#8216;what is a container&#8217;, after all isn&#8217;t HTML just plain ASCII with tags!!!</p>
<p>Hope this adds to the discussion.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Containing Content by Julieta Lionetti</title>
		<link>http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/2012/09/02/containing-content/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julieta Lionetti]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 22:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/?p=154#comment-84</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Hi, I think that when they say content without container, they are mostly thinking in data-base publishing, and they are thinking in the data-base, not in publishing whatever is in the data-base. Because after being published, you&#039;ll have a product and the product needs a container. Your html/css for a blog is also a container.

I&#039;m trying to understand what they are saying and not succeeding at it. Are they thinking publishing as if it only were processes and endless iterations? Too geeky for my understanding. I&#039;m still a reader. A human one, I mean.

Are they thinking publishing in the same terms of search?

Liked you post. Much necessary.

Julieta]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I think that when they say content without container, they are mostly thinking in data-base publishing, and they are thinking in the data-base, not in publishing whatever is in the data-base. Because after being published, you&#8217;ll have a product and the product needs a container. Your html/css for a blog is also a container.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to understand what they are saying and not succeeding at it. Are they thinking publishing as if it only were processes and endless iterations? Too geeky for my understanding. I&#8217;m still a reader. A human one, I mean.</p>
<p>Are they thinking publishing in the same terms of search?</p>
<p>Liked you post. Much necessary.</p>
<p>Julieta</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Containing Content by EditorEtc™ LLC</title>
		<link>http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/2012/09/02/containing-content/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EditorEtc™ LLC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 19:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/?p=154#comment-83</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Reblogged this on &lt;a href=&quot;http://editoretc.wordpress.com/2012/09/02/50/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EditorEtc&lt;/a&gt; and commented: 
Ain&#039;t it the truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reblogged this on <a href="http://editoretc.wordpress.com/2012/09/02/50/" rel="nofollow">EditorEtc</a> and commented:<br />
Ain&#8217;t it the truth.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on eBooks in K12 by Jodi Johnson</title>
		<link>http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/ebooks-in-k12/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jodi Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/?p=79#comment-38</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[With the rising cost of textbooks in schools and colleges, e books(.pdf, .epub, .mobi, .aeh, azw &amp; more are all e-book formats) are the way to save on expenses as well as support a greener ecosystem. Schools of present era are stepping ahead in providing environments rich with technology for the enhanced growth and understanding of #K-12 students.  Know how #CK-12Flexbooks have terminated the dependency on the monolithic textbooks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the rising cost of textbooks in schools and colleges, e books(.pdf, .epub, .mobi, .aeh, azw &amp; more are all e-book formats) are the way to save on expenses as well as support a greener ecosystem. Schools of present era are stepping ahead in providing environments rich with technology for the enhanced growth and understanding of #K-12 students.  Know how #CK-12Flexbooks have terminated the dependency on the monolithic textbooks.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on eBooks in K12 by Peter S. Hart</title>
		<link>http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/ebooks-in-k12/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter S. Hart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 23:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/?p=79#comment-33</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Without getting into a long, drawn out argument here, your comment earlier that “…PDF, which in all honesty, isn’t really an eBook…” merely marks you as an ignorant snob. The term “e-book” means, by definition, “electronic book,” and if PDF is not electronic, I don’t know what is. Just because it’s not in EPUB or MOBI format does not make it worthless as a vehicle for the transfer of information, nor does it not make it a book. There are great examples out there of e-books that make full use of the PDF format as books, just as there are sad examples of EPUB and MOBI e-books that show that the formatter could barely make the words show up on the page.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without getting into a long, drawn out argument here, your comment earlier that “…PDF, which in all honesty, isn’t really an eBook…” merely marks you as an ignorant snob. The term “e-book” means, by definition, “electronic book,” and if PDF is not electronic, I don’t know what is. Just because it’s not in EPUB or MOBI format does not make it worthless as a vehicle for the transfer of information, nor does it not make it a book. There are great examples out there of e-books that make full use of the PDF format as books, just as there are sad examples of EPUB and MOBI e-books that show that the formatter could barely make the words show up on the page.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on eBooks in K12 by Character Education</title>
		<link>http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/ebooks-in-k12/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Character Education]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/?p=79#comment-32</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think ebooks are the good idea for K-12 students. I always suggest ebooks for high schools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think ebooks are the good idea for K-12 students. I always suggest ebooks for high schools.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on eBooks in K12 by eBooks in K12 « eBookNoir « Ebooks Extra</title>
		<link>http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/ebooks-in-k12/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eBooks in K12 « eBookNoir « Ebooks Extra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/?p=79#comment-31</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[[...] post: eBooks in K12 « eBookNoir   Comments [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] post: eBooks in K12 « eBookNoir   Comments [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Libraries &amp; eBooks by Greed vs. Library eBook Lending - Man of la Book</title>
		<link>http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/libraries-ebooks/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greed vs. Library eBook Lending - Man of la Book]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/?p=74#comment-26</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[[...] Libraries &amp; eBooks (ebooknoir.wordpress.com) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Libraries &amp; eBooks (ebooknoir.wordpress.com) [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on About by Josh Mullineaux</title>
		<link>http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/about/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Mullineaux]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 20:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-25</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[We have been reading and following your blog for the past few months and you have some great insights into the publishing world.

Would it be possible to have a phone call with you to talk about what my company is doing? I would truly appreciate your consideration and find your opinions extremely valuable.

We are about to release our universal version of Highlighter that will work on any website and any web-based e-reading platform.

Thank you again for your consideration.

-Josh

co-founder/CEO
Highlighter.com
602-740-9050]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have been reading and following your blog for the past few months and you have some great insights into the publishing world.</p>
<p>Would it be possible to have a phone call with you to talk about what my company is doing? I would truly appreciate your consideration and find your opinions extremely valuable.</p>
<p>We are about to release our universal version of Highlighter that will work on any website and any web-based e-reading platform.</p>
<p>Thank you again for your consideration.</p>
<p>-Josh</p>
<p>co-founder/CEO<br />
Highlighter.com<br />
602-740-9050</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Libraries &amp; eBooks by Peter Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/libraries-ebooks/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Atkinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 18:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://ebooknoir.wordpress.com/?p=74#comment-23</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[A well thought-out summation of the situation. I&#039;ve been saying all along that a boycott would be a mistake; the publisher has created this 26 loan limit because they&#039;re concerned that we cost them sales. Being boycotted by libraries would be the icing on that cake.

The public will only boycott what they have an alternative for and a favourite author cannot really be substituted.

I was thinking an alternative might be to try to engage authors and get them to have this clause excluded from their contracts but of course, the real solution is to work together to find a solution that doesn&#039;t cripple either libraries or publishers. 

As I teach in my e-book sessions, libraries and publishers are both struggling to figure out where the e-book phenomenon is heading. This 26 loan limit is a first try from a publisher trying to figure out how to survive and thrive in this new e-world. Positive discussion, not hurt or angry rhetoric, to help us work our way through to a mutually beneficial outcome. Now, is it too much to hope our state/provincial/national organizations will start it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A well thought-out summation of the situation. I&#8217;ve been saying all along that a boycott would be a mistake; the publisher has created this 26 loan limit because they&#8217;re concerned that we cost them sales. Being boycotted by libraries would be the icing on that cake.</p>
<p>The public will only boycott what they have an alternative for and a favourite author cannot really be substituted.</p>
<p>I was thinking an alternative might be to try to engage authors and get them to have this clause excluded from their contracts but of course, the real solution is to work together to find a solution that doesn&#8217;t cripple either libraries or publishers. </p>
<p>As I teach in my e-book sessions, libraries and publishers are both struggling to figure out where the e-book phenomenon is heading. This 26 loan limit is a first try from a publisher trying to figure out how to survive and thrive in this new e-world. Positive discussion, not hurt or angry rhetoric, to help us work our way through to a mutually beneficial outcome. Now, is it too much to hope our state/provincial/national organizations will start it?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
